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Is the Gas Certification scheme at risk?

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aboutgas

Hi Robbo that will never happen in this country max work with pitance for pay

as the old saying goes "pay peanuts you get monkeys" all the best have already left the country either to Auz or UK where they are paid in accordance with there skills
Unless the moral improves the floggings will continue

robbo

hi guys/a,gas, i don`t see why that could`nt happen because companies carry insurance to cover problems such as the case in which Paul Gee is involved, still after 2013 with no certs there will be nothing to sign. I would`nt be a bit supprised to see "Certifying" replaced either the company should be the certifier end of,cheers

TS

As far as I know there's no talk of having to put testing and commissioning details on invoices. They're trying to get rid of that sort of thing as it involves extra unnecessary (in their opinion) paperwork. You'll find you'll be competing against guys who won't so you'll be forced to do it cheaper. Things won't be on a level playing field as they were when everyone had to complete certificates.

Out of interest who minds putting on here how much the certificate ended up costing your client?

robbo

hi guys/ts, level playing field is a matter of opinion. I personally charged $65 for certs,$25 to buy $40 for the time and distribution to other parties. I know of one company who charged $120 and also know of another who charges $150, don`t know what will happen when they bring in self cert for plumbing and drainage,cheers

TS

They'll be years off doing it for plumbing and drainage IMO.

aboutgas

Hi guys personally I charge $140 which covers the cost of my yearly upskilling i do know of a company who were 3 years ago charging $300. TS I know at this stage that there is nothing to say that you have to put Testing and Commissioning but as these are 2 skills that only a certifier can do you would recognize that there must be a charge for this. Also you must realise that there is more paperwork with any type of statement of installation in any form so the admin cost will be passed on as each company will have to develop and implement there own system. This will also be required to cover the Gasfitters arse (see pgdb and there big stick approach).

As you say it won't be a level playing field if all company's don't do this WELCOME to cowboy heaven you think we have dodgy installations now wait until this comes in. Sad to say it will take a couple of deaths to make council inspectors and the Suits to see sense (I personally hope it is one of them that is the first)

TS

I agree with you aboutgas. I don't have a problem with people charging for their time or for the hassle of filling out the form. We don't charge enough as it is IMO.

Why are they at us about our charges and bringing down costs. We run businesses to make a profit. I don't see lawyers being hit up about their charges, or accountants. How much does a lawyer charge? Why?

aboutgas

I imagine a lawyer would charge on his Knowledge of the law just as a plumber gasfitter or drainlayer would and just to help that statement along we are in a position that if we get it wrong we will kill far more people than a lawyer or even a doctor could

jd24hrs

I suggest we have one board,a new gas council of fitters and engineers who would have a certificate system but would be in control of licences but it would be run by our industry and gas fitters and engineers

Badger

it is all down to honest people with integrity enforcing a fair system, piece of paper or not, and we do not have such a system, its about who you know and who you've pissed off, it is personal and involved.........and a load of bollox, i SUPPOSEDLY GET MY RESULT ON MONDAY, CAN'T WAIT BECAUSE THEN I CAN REALLY START TO GO TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE.
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

ed

I'm new to this forum so started to troll through the posts and this one caught my eye as I did try to have my say at the time and emailed the hon Hekia Parata but basically we were shutting the gate after the b----y horse had bolted.I read further posts that said it will take either an explosion or death to change it back to certification process,well you'd think but if any of you out there  remember the gun law change from permit each  gun we had to just licensing the person instead, then look at all the deaths and injuries that have occurred since and still no change back to a way that actually worked.Ive got to say I don't hold much hope for sanity in the gas industry and maybe its a good job were running out of gas in NZ.

Jaxcat

Ed - we're not running out of gas that fast!!  From a domestic perspective there is heaps of gas - and gasfitters services will be required for a long time to come.  It is a shame that this system as it works now is going to be handed over to MED who I think are making the framework up as they go along.  While there are a number of negative comments on this forum about the PGDB - the one thing that runs fairly smoothly is the gas certificate regime.  I fear the new system coming in around 2013 will mean it will be easier for member's of the public to be hoodwinked by un licenced tradespeople.  A record of installation can be done on an invoice, by a form a company or individual make up themselves - at least with the cert system now if you aren't curently licensed you can't even purchase a cert - so the customer has some level of assurance.  Like a lot of things - the baby has been thrown out with the bath water and I don't believe the users of this sytem i.e. the public and practitioners were ever truly consulted properly.  The men in suits have had a field day with this one - with the idea that it will reduce costs to consumers.   I'll eat my hat if that comes to pass.
Have you learned lessons only of those who admired you, and were tender with you, and stood aside for you?  Have you not learned great lessons from those who braced themselves against you, and disputed the passage with you?  (Walt Whitman 1819-1891)  American Poet

robbo

hi guys/jax, yes if it was only done with the idea of saving the consuner money they were very narrow guidelines to work within. The deregulation of the building industry was to save money, instead it created the leaky home syndrome which has worked out to be very expensive,cheers

Jaxcat

Visit the MED website and you can now view the full list of submitters and also the content of the submissions - very interesting.


TS

Got a link to the submissions?

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