The engineer has specified a Type 2 sump with size 225 pipe. How should the branch be created? Off the shelf Y branches aren't commonly available in that size. The 150 pipe as shown is easy.

Unsurprisingly... still no reply, not even to tell me if any of it is not true, so they must be happy to ignore someone altering my work and for an innocent man to carry it.

No one has been held accountable for nearly killing a man... Just shows the mettle of these people.

From: Paul Gee <pgee3366@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2025 9:51 am
To: Christopher.Bishop@parliament.govt.nz; 'Chris Penk (MIN)' <C.Penk@ministers.govt.nz>; David.Seymour@parliament.govt.nz; Christopher.Luxon@parliament.govt.nz; nlo@parliament.govt.nz; info@hobanz.org.nz
Cc: 'TVNZ' <news@tvnz.co.nz>; 'stuff.co.nz' <newstips@stuff.co.nz>; rmb@masterbuilder.org.nz; media@masterbuilder.org.nz; megan.woods@parliament.govt.nz; Chris.Hipkins@parliament.govt.nz; admin@masterplumbers.org.nz; 'TVNZ' <news@tvnz.co.nz>; 'stuff.co.nz' <newstips@stuff.co.nz>; newstips@alliedpress.co.nz; 'PGDB Communications' <comms@pgdb.co.nz>
Subject: Re: self certification

Dear HOBANZ,

The self-certification is not robust and open to corruption and abuse by industry groups, let alone the tradies and cowboys, all done at a risk to the public. I can prove all this.

Please see attached correspondence, (to which I am on the whole ignored and ghosted by those that these emails are addressed to)... Correspondence concerning how my work was undoubtedly altered. After 6 years of me warning that there were dodgy certs, covering dangerous work, prior to the explosion which nearly killed a man, I was singled out to be the scapegoat.

Even though I was found not guilty of the actual explosion, including 42 out of the 44 charges laid, I was still slated in the local paper, had to carry a notification on my license for 2 years and still struggle to find or keep a job to this day. They took my trade, my business and my reputation. A man laid in a drug induced coma while the PGDB told untruths to his lawyer.

NO ONE HAS BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Ignoring a massive body of evidence, which I can provide should anyone request it.

Please can you ask the ministers copied in, what they have done to make the Self Certifying a more robust, honest, reliable system. I have battled this for over 16 years and have seen nothing to quell my concerns. Nothing at all.

These people appear to be happy to allow 9 people of interest to go unquestioned, see attached report, while I have been persecuted and made a scape goat for the PGDB's ineptitude, with no one responsible for this egregious behaviour taken to task. How does that protect the public? If anything the corrupts have been empowered by the lack of accountability and learnt nothing other than that they are untouchable. Allowing and even arguably, encouraging them to act with impunity.

I can prove all my claims and if my case goes unaddressed, then I struggle to see how ANY self cert system can be proven to be robust and trustworthy, but above all else... SAFE. If personal relationships come before public health and safety it can only fail, every single time. I can show you the connections, they are blatant.

All the same characters are present on the PGDB, maybe not the exact same people, but the same organisations and attitudes. Think of a flock of geese flying in a V. The ones at the front change, but the pre-determined direction continues, rail roading those that show their faults. How do you learn from mistakes if you do not face them???

Please read the NZ Law Commissions view on certain people/organisations running the show, and be assured it is a s**t show. See attached, please pay special scrutiny to the comments on impartiality. Explosion 2009, paper written in 2008, so totally relevant. I can prove how un-impartial these people are, which is terrible grammar to say the least.

If they can cover up a near fatal gas explosion, how much do you think they'll cover up a leaky home situation? How does this help the confidence we can place in such things??? Gasfitters were the first to suffer this mistake of a badly run self-certification system.  It is not only open to abuse but prone to it. I can show you how and why.

We still struggle as a family to this day even though we are totally innocent.

I was a President of Nelson Master Plumbers. I stood down when they would not listen to my concerns about gas safety and I resigned after I was overlooked to represent Nelson at a national gasfitting forum. I was overlooked, even though I was voted in to go to this forum by my association. I say this to show I have a clear insight to my claims. I still have the minutes from these meetings.

I have been verbally threatened by some of these clowns and ask that before they repeat these threats to think again, I will not be as placid as I have been to date, these parasites are absolute backroom spineless cowards, my family were targeted and terrorised.

This avoidable explosion has ruined far too many lives, with no one held accountable. I will never let this go. I hope you can use this situation to avoid similar situations in the future for other innocent people who have misplaced confidence in a rotten system.



Happy to answer any questions and provide proof.

Yours with Honesty and Integrity

Paul Gee.

I was going to space it all out nice for you, separate paragraphs, the works...the info is there if you can be arsed to read it...


From: pgee3366@gmail.com <pgee3366@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2024 4:00 pm
To: Christopher.Luxon@parliament.govt.nz; chris.penk@parliament.govt.nz; Christopher.Bishop@parliament.govt.nz; 'Chris Baillie' <Christopher.Baillie@parliament.govt.nz>; David.Seymour@parliament.govt.nz
Cc: rmb@masterbuilder.org.nz; media@masterbuilder.org.nz; megan.woods@parliament.govt.nz; Chris.Hipkins@parliament.govt.nz; admin@masterplumbers.org.nz; 'TVNZ' <news@tvnz.co.nz>; 'stuff.co.nz' <newstips@stuff.co.nz>; newstips@alliedpress.co.nz
Subject: Self certification

Dear Prime Minister,
Please, before you inflict the self-certification system on the wider trades, explain to me why my one and final charge should stand and detrimentally and severely impact my life for over 15 years and in to the future. It has stressed me to the point of losing the pigment in my face and hands (according to my dermatologist, stress is the cause of vitiligo). Not all the repercussions are visible to the eye.
This BS "conviction" was for placing a gas water heater, with a powered flu at 540mm from an opening window. I produced a tech note and thought it the easiest to defend. I even sketched how the fumes would behave (thrust 90 degrees away from the wall away from the building), I produced this sketch at the hearing. This sketch exactly reflects the photos, utilising a smoke bomb, in a later experiment.
A few years later, after my hearing, when an elderly couple complained about a similar situation in a separate case. The PGDB told them to shut the window when using hot water. This install had a car port trapping the fumes, mine did not and no one had complained.
There is a relevant British Standard that states the minimum distance is 500mm, Britain is an expert in the world gas industry. We are allowed in NZ to use alternative standards from reputable countries. The investigator (Hammond) was from the UK. Hammond also gifted my boss (Darnley) his craftsman gasfitting license after one oral exam years earlier. Hammond also withheld over 100 photos and misrepresented evidence. With his brief sending my wife child sexual abuse case notes to prove a point on probabilities in a plumbing context. Also, sending un-true letters to every site of charges prior to the hearing, informing them that I had issued illegal certs in the North Island, in places I have never even visited. I was phoned and threatened by PGDB staff. One said "Have you ever thought of going back to the UK"... Would he have got away with that if I was from anywhere else?
We did try to question Hammond about this last charge at my Hearing, but his long-term colleague (Parker) and fellow gas group member shut the hearing down, this can be found in the last minutes (transcript attached). Parker was the chair of the hearing. Appointed as chair against my complaint of obvious personal relationships in many groups with the investigator and others, including my boss.
The same boss I had complained about for 6 years (pre-explosion) to everyone from MPs to industry groups. This is the same boss who resigned from the NZIGE, May 2009... straight after the April 9th explosion...Darnley faced a charge for the explosion but this charge disappeared before his hearing. How does that happen?
Of Note: my old boss was found guilty of 100% of his charges (excluding the explosion) I was found 95% innocent of my 44 charges, all except for this last final ridiculous charge.
We lost everything. Two years of persecution, bullying, lies and abuse. With a 15-year long daily struggle since 9th April 2009 for my family. I can show you how many jobs I've applied for and been through.
A builder, signing off a house...what happens when a homeowner decides to remove a supporting wall? My work was altered, I can prove it...I am stuck in limbo 15 years later. Are you up for that guys??? I would seriously worry about it, insisting on public assurances that it will NEVER reoccur. I was the only person to put the public first, against my families wellbeing and our business.
In what had better be a totally unrelated situation, just two days after Megan Woods MP apparently ordered a psych nurse to ring me, my youngest son was hidden by the local High School for 5 whole weeks, Woods has ghosted me since. I did not see his face nor hear his voice for those 5 weeks.
Link to phone call- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7hoUnTWRwA
Please explain to me how any of this is acceptable to you all. Who does it serve to honour this decision for such a bogus charge? I was undeniably with-held any fairness. My family has been in turmoil since 2009 April 9th. To serve the egos of self-serving fractured cowards.
Yours with Honesty and Integrity
Paul Gee

...still waiting on a reply...



rom: Paul Gee <pgee3366@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 at 07:36
Subject: Re: psych nurse phone call
To: <megan.woods@parliament.govt.nz>, TVNZ <news@tvnz.co.nz>, stuff.co.nz <newstips@stuff.co.nz>, <David.Seymour@parliament.govt.nz>, Chris Penk (MIN) <C.Penk@ministers.govt.nz>, <Christopher.Luxon@parliament.govt.nz>, <Christopher.Bishop@parliament.govt.nz>


Hi Megan,

I have waited some time for you to explain why you apparently arranged a psych nurse to ring me, please see previous correspondence.

Please under an official information request can you explain why this was done, based on what information?

Please show this some urgency.

Many Thanks

Yours with honesty and integrity

Paul Gee

My work was undeniably altered, this alteration made the job so dangerous it nearly killed someone...and they went after me, still to this day the PGDB refuse to clear my name...I HAVE DONE NO WRONG, I CAN PROVE THIS

What are they going to do, that if the same happens to YOU...to ensure innocent people don't get screwed over for 15 years of of pain and suffering, with your family terrorised by cowardly back room corrupts.

If it suits them to make you a scapegoat, they will....let me assure you.

In my experience the inconvenience of waiting for an inspector compared to a 15 year struggle dealing with corruption...I'd rather wait for the inspector.

THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THIS BLATANT WITCHHUNT... TO ENSURE IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN... TO YOU!


Brushing me under the carpet will not protect your future....think about it...all the corrupts need to be dealt with, to set the example for your future responsibilities ... which I can assure you, you will be held to.

The system needs to be, at least fair and robust...good luck if the president is set that they can screw people over when it suits....


No one will admit to altering your work, and if that person is connected, let me guarantee, you will be taken to the cleaners


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If any of you want a copy of the 33 page report by PGDB you got my email address, flick me an email and I will send it in reply.

It will be in total confidence.

From: pgee3366@gmail.com <pgee3366@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2024 8:19 pm
To: admin@masterplumbers.org.nz
Cc: chris.penk@parliament.govt.nz; Christopher.Luxon@parliament.govt.nz; Christopher.Bishop@parliament.govt.nz; nlo@parliment.govt.nz
Subject: RE: self certification



Supplementary to my last email, also to be tabled to all Master Plumber Associations, I thought that the ridiculous 33 page report would give some context to the indefensible ineptitude levelled at me and my family.

Also when I was President of Nelson Master Plumbers I was voted to go to a gas group, I was voted in by my association to air my concerns, which I had been vocal about for my whole membership. Someone else was sent in my stead, a member who I never once saw at a meeting. He was known to me from my visits to the pub. He also blew up a car painting oven because he didn't know partially burnt gases were explosive.

I am happy to travel and present the whole body of evidence to anyone of you or the associations request it. 100s of documents.

If I was being advised to "opt in" I would expect the Master Plumbers to table all sides...let me know if they do

pgee3366@gmail.com
Attachments
08:10 (2 minutes ago)
to admin, chris.penk, Christopher.Luxon, Christopher.Bishop, nlo, bcc: tatsuhiko.koyama

Dear Master Plumbers



Please see attached what you can expect from self-certification, Greg Wallace has been quoted as saying how well the self cert system works, I can only guess he has no idea what happened to me, please ensure Mr Wallace sees this document.



I am an ex-president of Nelson Master Plumbers.



Please table this attachment to all regions and associations, you should be aware of what self-certification can mean and its re-percussions.



Thank you and good luck with "opting in". Until this cancer is removed how safe are you to take responsibility for this system.



Yours Sincerely Paul



It will be interesting if the Master Plumbers will table the attachment below, as requested, let me know guys if it does or doesn't get tabled.