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Title: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: Wal on August 05, 2011, 07:09:58 AM
Threats of legal action, intimidation, its all here
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: integrated on August 05, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
another good newsletter wal!

if the pgdb is a charity does that mean we can claim on our license fees as a donation?
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: Wal on August 06, 2011, 05:34:25 AM
We asked the Charaties Commission and the IRD the same question and haven't received and answer. The more people that ask them the question the more chance we have of getting an answer but I think its all in the too hard basket.


Wal
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: integrated on August 06, 2011, 11:13:58 AM
legally I dont think a "charity" can charge a license fee can they?

how can a "charity" be responsible as the governing body of an industry?

just doesnt sound right to me?!?
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: integrated on August 06, 2011, 11:18:10 AM
also as a "charity" what are they "giving" to the community?
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: Jaxcat on August 06, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
It would appear that the "beneficiaries" of the "charity" are the public- it will be interesting to get IRD's ruling on this - and the Charities Commission regarding the behaviour of said charity in so far as the disciplinary levy goes.  Can charities charge "fees" of any description?  Obviously they can.   Should a "charity" be very, very circumspect in the way they spend the money that is given to them? Yes they should.  Should a charity be able to demonstrate how they have helped the beneficiaries of said charity?  Yes they should.  Should a charity be willing to open its books fully to those that have funded them?  Yes they should.  Would YOU willingly give to a charity that had been reported on the OAG?   The question of whether your fees should be tax deductible (as an employee) is a question that I would hope the IRD would answer.

Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: integrated on August 06, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: Jaxcat on August 06, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
  Can charities charge "fees" of any description?  Obviously they can.   



I dont think this is right though - to my knowledge and understanding a "charity" can only accept donation of good/free will - to masquerade that as a licensing fee would be fraudulent and highly illegal in my opinion?!?
Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: Wal on August 06, 2011, 03:55:47 PM
I've sent of questions to the Charaties Commission and the IRD so we will see what happens.

But it gets worse.  The ITO being a limited liability company is also on the Registered Charaties register.  Have a look at the charities commission web site.

Title: Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 61 5 August 2011
Post by: aboutgas on August 06, 2011, 08:54:22 PM
Hi Guys
As a "charity" can they charge a GST component on top of the possibly illegal fee?